#2614 (in response to #2608)
To get it out of the way, I think it is stupid to come out and accuse random people of owning a recast if there is no indication of it except for lack of evidence, we don’t need that in the hobby.
That said, #2614 is completely right, this comes from recasts and recast owners, if there were no recasts we would not even need CoAs, there would be even less need to try to find space for a huge fucking box in an apartment that doesn’t have space for it.
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Recasts and Bootlegs: DoA’s Rules and Statements from BJD Artisans
DoA’s rules state that bootleg dolls and recasts are forbidden on-site, but we feel the need to restate and explain why it is forum policy and what it means to you.
You may wonder why DoA does not condone bootlegging. Here are several of our major reasons:
1. First and foremost, bootlegging and recasting is illegal. In certain countries there are steep legal and financial penalties for buying or selling counterfeit goods.
2. Bootlegging hurts legitimate companies and deprives the original artists of their livelihoods. Many people who support recasting base their justifications on Volks’ sales statistics, but it is important to keep in mind that Volks is not solely a BJD maker and much of their revenue is generated from other areas (and due to having many physical stores in the 6th most expensive country in the world, Volks’ overhead is rather high). Should producing Super Dollfie cease to be profitable, Volks could easily terminate that line to focus entirely on other products. Volks is also extremely unique in the BJD world in terms of its business structure; aside from Volks, there are no “big companies.” The largest companies have barely 100 employees, and quite a few are made up of fewer than 10 people. Most of these companies are extremely niche and have a limited line of products; if they are unable to sell to their target audience, they have no other products to fall back upon to remain open and keep their employees paid! If companies go out of business, then we all miss the opportunity to see what new sculpts they might have produced in the future.
3. The presence and acceptance of bootlegs creates stagnation and mistrust in the second-hand market. Shopping is a fun, exciting part of the BJD hobby. The introduction of bootlegs into the second-hand market makes hobbyists fear purchasing a fake doll, which makes sales in the second-hand market extremely slow. As most people try to keep their doll spending circular, if they can’t sell their unwanted dolls, they can’t buy new ones. It creates a slowdown in both the first and second-hand markets, and that is bad for our hobby.
4. Quality control is hit-or-miss. Some bootlegs are made with inferior materials which can pose a health hazard to their owners… or to customizers who may handle the doll during commissioned work. Many customizers refuse to work on recasts for both ethical and health reasons. If customizers become worried that potential commissions may be undisclosed bootlegs (which may carry additional risks or quality control frustrations that would complicate their work), they may stop taking commissions entirely. This leads to fewer talented artists available to the community.
The bootlegging issue is not new, nor is the group of supporters large. However, recent activity on other sites has made it seems as though recasting is becoming more accepted by the BJD community. This is not the case and the outrage against bootlegging is stronger than ever.
With regard to DoA, we are first and foremost a community of people who love dolls. This love of dolls should translate to respecting their creators by not supporting or promoting the theft of their work. It is worth mentioning as well that without the advertising support of dollmakers, DoA would not be able to pay its five-figure yearly hosting costs while remaining free for all members. We don’t ask a lot of our members, but we do ask that you respect and abide by our rules by not promoting bootlegs or “sneaking” them into our galleries or discussion threads. This is a simple request and we have every expectation that our members have the integrity to honor it.
Recasting is unethical, illegal, and hurts both our hobby and our community. DoA will never support or promote bootlegs."
-Den of Angels Team
And the community. I’ve noticed recasts becoming more and more accepted as time goes on and it breaks my heart. Calling us bullies, or elitists, or snobs because we are fighting for the right thing only deludes those who practice the buying and selling of stolen artwork into thinking what they are doing is just fine. But it isn’t. Those of you who shame us for not accepting the illegal reproduction of an artist’s work… YOU are the bullies. YOU are the ones promoting a hostile environment in the hobby. You are thieves. People are bullied for being different than others. Many of us in the hobby are familiar with such a thing. But you can’t play victim when you’re the one hurting others with your actions.
Remember: when you buy a recast doll, you’re supporting the bad guys. You aren’t cheating the corporate system, you’re cheating artists. First and foremost, our hobby is about the appreciation of an artist’s work, and that is simply not being done when such artwork is stolen.
DOD DOI Luke for sale! - $425
This is so hard for me to do, but the recent elimination of my job, the loss of hours, and the pay cut have left me in a hard place. Someone has to go.
This boy will come with head (with custom faceup) and body only. No eyes, wig, clothes, etc. He’s in good condition with some minor damage. There’s some minor wear on his faceup coating and faint stains from a wig on his head. Faint enough I couldn’t really get a photo of it. The most noticeable thing is some chipping on his elbow joints, but that’s not bad either. (See photos above).
He was made in 2008, so there is a little yellowing. It’s even and he still has some of his original pinkish hue.
I ship from NY, USA. Shipping is NOT included. Payment is paypal only. I’m willing to do a short layaway of 6 weeks. $100 is due up front and all payments are non-refundable. My work hours vary, so shipping can take 1-2 weeks, but it’s not likely to take so long.
I have feedback on DoA, Ebay, EGL comm sales, and a little on Etsy. Interested? You can send me an ask here and I’ll give you my email. You may also contact me on DoA or dA. Here are links for both.
Serious buyers only, please.
Still for sale.
#2567 (via recastconfessions)
The only people I don’t think belong in the hobby that those that buy recasts. If you buy from any legit company you belong in the hobby, because no matter which company you are supporting you are funding them to keep going, and create more dolls. Rather then paying people to steal from companies and artists threatening their business and damaging the hobby.
Also it is the pro-recast side who are like: “No, I am buying a recast because cheap dolls are ugly, don’t dare tell me to settle!” When people suggest cheaper alternatives rather then buying recasts, even though there are 100s of companies to choose from.
Also many of my own dolls have come from cheaper companies. I own 3 Resinsoul dolls and until very recently I owned an Angell-studio. I have friends who own dolls from companies like, 5Star dolls and they do amazing events were you really do get a lot for your money.
i did saw more disgust towards RS (as apparently some people have trouble to get the research and find other companies with low price) on this specific blog than anywhere else in the hobby, and here it was always in phrasing not gonna buy instead ill get recast of more pricey sculpt i like
Also as Karla hinted there is quiet a part of community which love this dolls for various reasons and we do support anyone who share our love for them so saying that antis are hostile towards cheaper companies is … silly at the best there are many people in the hobby and you can never please and be friends with everyone bad attitude of some people is never an excuse for stepping on someones hard work and stealing
I see more disgust for cheaper dolls on this blog then most places as well. I will admit there has always been some elitism in this hobby when it comes to cheaper dolls. I have hassle in the past myself, but not that often. It was the odd asshole and that was it. Plus people often defended you any way.
Most people are far more interested in what you actually do with the dolls. Also people with more expensive dolls also get there fair share of hassle, because of a handful of assholes some people seem to think if you own Volks dolls your elitist. These are issues that were about before recasts though.
I do see far more snobbery from the pro-recast side though. Which is weird since you own a bunch of fakes.
"I was never going to buy X legit anyway!" "Fuck this doll company, they’re so greedy!" "I really hope X gets recast soon!"
But yeah of course that one legit to 4 recasts they have is totally make up for the damage they’re causing overall. Why next you’ll be telling us it’s not fair to stop recasters because it takes away the sale of that doll the recast from the company! Gasp!
I they have no intention of ever buying legit, and will only give their money to thieves who profit off of the backs of hard working artists looking to make a living off of their craft, then they have no place in this hobby. If they leave, it’s not a lost sale, because it is a sale the artists would never get.
However, the primary route that the pro-artist side takes is making it known the harm recasts cause and encourage people to go legit. The problem we have is with these entitled children that want to make excuse after excuse after excuse to justify their support of art thieves, even going so far as to lie about us and smear the names of companies and artists so its easier to justify fucking them over.